Monday, November 28, 2011

Why Some US Soldiers Will Follow Illegal Orders to Arrest and Shoot Americans

               Listening to Mark Koernke who is part of the leadership in the Michigan Militia, He has a lot of insight about history, especially the Soviet Union in the early days. For the last few years, he has advised all Military personal to get their families off the Military installations around the country and not to give up their weapons on or off post. There is a reason why he said this. We have to look back in history of the Russian revolution and the start of the red terror that swept Russia. I always wondered how could a soldier arrest and shoot innocent people. How could they do wicked things to their own fellow citizens? Here is some hidden history we do not hear today.

              When the Bolsheviks took over the Russian Revolution. When the new form of government in Russia was created. Vladimir Lenin became the leader of the USSR replacing the Russian Czar Nicholas III. How he started the years of the red terror in the 1920s and 1930s, which was carried out by one of his minions. Anyone heard of Leon Trotsky?. This murderous blood thirsty madman gave the order to his henchmen to detain the family members of Russian soldiers living on military bases. If the soldiers did not follow the orders to go out and arrest and murder as ordered. They would kill a family member or execute the family altogether as a consequence if the soldier did not obey. This is how they kept soldiers from becoming deserters because they did not want to serve a tyrannical regime under Lenin. So they would hold their family hostage under threat of duress. This is how they were able to get the soldiers to seize the food out of the Ukraine. This is how famines were started in the other Russian provinces that once were the breadbasket of Europe. Millions of people died of starvation and soldiers were ordered mow down unarmed civilians eating acorns in the snow. If they did not obey, the family could be executed. When the government has a gun to a family member's head, soldier will comply with what is ordered to do if he wanted to see their loved ones alive.

               Now we fast-forward to today and we are seeing the playbook of the Bolsheviks is being carried out to use once again. Why does the Obama White House want Military personal to surrender their firearms off base and on post? It is because if the soldiers are disarmed in their homes on base. Foreign troops or a select group of people could be the ones who will hold the families hostage on base while soldiers are forced to go out and shoot Americans. If the Military is armed with firearms in their own possession to defend themselves. It is impossible for them to try such an act against their families. This is why I recommend soldiers send their families back to their hometowns were they are best protected. Not in town near to the base in town. I mean back home were their home of record is. To all soldiers, to the marines, do not surrender your firearms under any circumstance and send your families home now.

                 With this proposed Legislation in the US Senate up for a full vote today. One of the ways they can get the Military to go carry out illegal orders is to detain their families on base and to make sure all Military personal are disarmed on and off base,. I know many in the Military are fed up with the system. This is why we see Ron Paul getting most of the donations from former and active Military. They know something we do not know. They know what is at stake. Not only these illegal wars, but none of them want to be at war with their own fellow citizens. This is why Military personal need to get their families off the base, not live in town close by off post. Nevertheless, back at home protected by the family. If S-1867 is going to be enforced. This is one of the ways they will get soldiers to carry out illegal orders. People who have family in the service need to warn those on active duty so we can avert a full-blown police state takeover. They did this in the Soviet Union, what makes it anymore different now? They will do it again if it worked in Russia. Do you agree?


28 comments:

  1. This looks like it was written by a 10 year old. Want some advice? If you want to be taken seriously? Prove read for gods sake.

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  2. Article looks fine to me. And speaking of proof reading. . .

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  3. Proof read. Moran. :-)

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  4. Before you can grasp despotism you must, must understand the physchopath. About five percent of the population is born to murder and about another fifteen percent can be easily influenced in that direction. The armed forces that will fire even on their own families have been screened and selected because they can and will murder for pleasure. This is ancient knowledge.

    There will probably not be much of the military murdering people in the U.S. That would not work well. Food, water and fuel scarcities are a much easier way to force a population.

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  5. Haha!, exactly, the 1st comment ridicules the writer for not "prove" reading!
    Seriously, the same tribe that fomented the Bolshevik revolution in 1917 (Trotsky whose real name was Lev Bronstein and many more were funded by Jacob Schiff of Kuehn Loeb bank in NY city are at it again!
    Now we have Jane Harman, another "chosen" trying to craft some loathsome terrorist laws to be applied to us Goyim here, along with dual citizen Israeli senator Joe Lieberman, senator Levin just wrote the horrible civilian detention w/o charges law (don't be fooled, McCain had his name on it for window dressing so it wouldn't look overly Kosher.
    These insulting acts against our liberties when taken with their constant attempts at disarming us must make us bond together & chant "NEVER AGAIN!

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  6. "This looks like it was written by a 10 year old."
    Me thinks there is some guy huddled in his parents' basement with nothing better to do than constantly scour LoneStar for new posts so he can be the first to comment and condemn - every post seems to have this guy at the head of the list, attacking the context but always always avoiding the content.
    It gets old, silly and irrelevant pretty fast, fella.

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  7. Since so many people are asking for it to be done, I'll do both. I'll attack both Realman's grammar and his message.

    First, grammar. Not one person here thinks Realman's writing is anything other than awful. People support him because they like what he says, but no one thinks he says it well. People state they can understand him sufficiently to get his message, which I suppose is true, but by that same token, I can understand the writing of a ten year old sufficiently to get his message. That doesn't mean it is good writing.

    As for the content of this post, I disagree for a few reasons.

    One, what's an "illegal" order? Something isn't illegal because you disagree with it. Whether an order is lawful or not is hardly cut and dried- it's been an unanswered question for hundreds of years.

    Two, I don't think it will take anything as extraordinary as keeping family members hostage to ensure their loyalty. Obeying orders is the whole point of military duty. People who join up are already somewhat predisposed to obeying orders. I don't think it will require a gun to their kids heads. Just a pre-op pep talk how they have a tough job to do, but they're the best soldiers in the world, blah blah. They may not like it, but they'll pull the trigger all the same.

    And third, whether they are or not, I don't think you'll get much traction telling a soldier he is obeying an illegal order. Look at the police at the Occupy Wall Street protests. Those police are acting illegally on an almost daily basis. Yet I doubt it even entered into their mind they were doing so, or would have cared even if told they were doing so. The "Us vs. Them" mentality is too strong in law enforcement, and it is no less strong in the military.

    Will these soldiers obey unlawful orders? No, they'll simply obey orders- with no thought, with no question. That's what a soldier does.

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  8. As a former Marine, I agree they may try such nonsense. I do not believe they have a chance though, as most military are past the point of fed up. To threaten their families will only come back to bite them, and hard. As for giving up your arms, well from my cold dead fingers. To the trolls who are posting as the first idiot who has the gall to critique, a thought provoking article with nonsense and true lack of grammar, your words speak for themselves. Why don't you go find me a ido10t form, or a set of hummer keys you monkey.

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  9. Other countries militaries have been brought over to the United States to kill american families so the American military won't necessarily have to. Just like the Americans go to other countries and kill their civilians

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  10. Today, 11-28-11, is the opening day of deer season in Pa.

    Today there will be some 800,000 men and women 'out and about' armed with high powered rifles and pistols. One state, albeit a highly armed, highly outdoor state. Still, one state..

    I imagine an 800,000 manned 'militia' can be 'out and about' any damned time they want to be.

    Many of these are veterans and most are veterans at hunting and shooting.

    Plus, don't forget, the majority, the vast majority of the current soldiers are OUR kids, not the rich people's kids.

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  11. Incriminally SaneMonday, 28 November, 2011

    Anonymous is absolutely right, the US military will be caught up in many other battles worldwide and most likely will NOT be involved in killing Americans. NATO and UN forces will DEFINITELY be the ones killing Americans and likely Chinese troops will sweep the country as well along side the Mercenaries hired by the US Government.

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  12. R.T. Flakfizer, don't be a putz. 2020 is doing just fine. His attention span is wisely spent and I hope he gets a good laugh at your expense. His eyesight is far better than yours. Don't trip. If you don't understand a word, ask someone who will help you. You talk way too much. All fog.

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  13. Yup, they'll save the worst for the mercs. Money is their only true love and they will do anything to get it. Violent prostitutes.

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  14. Ok, albeit this may be true. But a soldier must remember that while he is in one town shooting Gi Joes parents and brothers and sisters, his comrad is in his town shooting his parents brothers and sisters. Either way they will be responsible for killing each others families or they could be conscience of this and and say no and protect his comrds family in hopes that his comrad will do the same for him. Its a loose loose situation for all soldiers as they will only kill each others families and regret it . They must band together with all Americans to fight the oppressors and those who wish to kill the innocent. Together the military and cililians will win this fight.Remember, Americans are great shooters, possibly the best inn the world and hundreds of patriots, hunters and past military will wreck havoc on this attempt. A civil war will be the result and the and an angry American people will be awaken..........it will not be fun for the oppressors!

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  15. Loose:lose....Moran:moron....conscience:conscious...cillilians:civilians....personal:personel.....countries:country's....o.k......enough of the grammar crap....now to the heart of the matter......we, as civilians AND military are in real trouble. All of us, each and every one. Things are happening faster and faster to suit the suits...i.e. the Bilderbergs, the Rothchilds, etc....One World Order is the order of the day.....and the Illuminati is accomplishing it as quickly as possible. We must rise up as people, not separately...that will do no good, but as ONE body politic! Civilian, military, makes no difference because we're at the bottom of the heap. We are the crap the rich scrape off their shoes, or have their valet do it for them. We must do something NOW, or we'll all be doing time in FEMA Camps!!! So, stock up on arms, ammo, food, water, water purification tablets, generators, gas and bio masks, batteries, flashlights, candles, salt, extra medication for our sick and elderly, including antibiotics, tents and/or a plan for shelter...,bunkers would be ideal. Well, you get the picture. But if anyone launches the BIG one, well, just bend over and kiss your sweet ass goodbye!! Not enough people these days have their shelters far enough underground nor do they have pure air systems. Maybe we can take over the underground facilities that our government and alternate governments have spent a couple of trillion on, but I doubt it. We would be picked off like flies from miles away. They are ready for us....the question is: are we ready for them? The answer, unfortunately is a resounding NO!

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  16. All wars are determined in board rooms before even one shot is fired. It is only logical that since Bankers own the world, the quickest way to defeat them without a shot or violence of anykind is to liquidate your paper assets and remove your money from the banks, this would collapse the "too big to fails" who finance all the drug/war/depressions and shadow government ops worldwide. EVERYONE should remember that money is a concept and modern money just paper. Soon, very soon, most people will catch on to this fact and then the most useless people in the world, the elite, will have to write books or get real jobs like a dishwasher at a restaurant. People pull your money out of banks and paper assets NOW or pay the price later.

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  17. As an expert, I find Realman's writing to be really superior. I did consider restructuring it and offering back as a post, but I didn't since it would be too insulting since it isn't my place even though I could translate his intent and package it in a lovely way; yet, there it is; I wouldn't need to invest any serious energy, be very little time because the work is packed with luscious goodness so packaging it is no work at all.

    The idea, substance, emotion, matter, impetus... is EVERYTHING.

    Any loser peon idiot can repackage a great thing, which is Roland's exact thought.

    What Roland can't understand is his inability to do the one while he brags about his ability to do the other. The original material is everything. Any minimum-wage fuck-stick can grammarize a completed work.

    Keep writing, Realman... I read everything.
    It has soul.
    Soul is all I care about.

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  18. It reminds me of John Lee Hooker,
    this drifter, this nigger, this illiterate piece of shit....

    But he had soul and he had something to say,
    As the New World Order bitches die to the beat of the bass from the Ak-47...

    Boom boom boom boom
    I'm gonna shoot you right down,
    right offa your feet

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  19. You can still rock in America,

    [ ' ]

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  20. To the first commenter, that would be "PROOF READ", not prove read. Check yourself before checking others, huh?

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  21. And we fortunately free,who live safely outside your vile country,will enjoy watching you murder each other in the same way that you have murdered so many innocents. May all your torturers and drone drivers rot in whatever hell may exist.
    Ivan. New Zealand.

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  22. NO there are to few of them the good ones will fight the bad ones and there way far more civilians than troops even if they bring the entire african population here to kill americans there are STILL way to few to win this CIVIL WAR.

    Go ahead and fire it up and you govn't pukes will lose another war.

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  23. I've only been to one country (out of 50) that had a population of what I would call free and thoughtful people. It was not an English-speaking country; certainly it was not New Zealand, which in my opinion is just as full of brainwashed ninnies as all the other conveniently modern and over-organized nations. So stow it, Ivan, and be glad you had better schoolbooks than some of the others and perhaps a nice place in the countryside.
    Susie. Middle East.

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  24. The United States Military Veterans of Honor, far outnumber the current serving Military.
    It would be a terrible mistake to even think of killing American citizens on the home turf.
    ... You will loose!!!!

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  25. As usual, susie, I run into another troll that refuses to face reality.
    Ivan. New Zealand.

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  26. This was a poorly written rant of someone who thinks they understand history. You cannot compare what was going on in Russia starting in the early 1900's with what is going on today in the United States. This is a rant of someone overly scared of the government. Learn some history, read up on grammar and punctuation, and for the love of God, learn that not all people in the military are soldiers.

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  27. To many chicken anonymous, and one is an ass hole. Ever hear of a typo ? The point is we all have the same ideal in mind, but some seem to to want to feel superior and correct everyone else. To that end your reasoning is pointless. Infighting is not the answer, it is the division and assholes look for typos. And your reasoning is not the reasoning of all men.Be a man and stop being "anonymous"!

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  28. Seems like Ivan has quite the pair of "internet balls."

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